Sometimes, it’s still fun….
Today we have almost dozens of books about rare Italian cars; multiple Internet sources which leave no digit unmolested, no photo left unseen; dozens of seasoned veterans with years of experience identifying, finding, buying, and selling rare Italian cars, and then wonderful resources for information such as the REVS and IMRRC.
All of this means that there are few true mystery cars left out there – the wealth of resources has taken much of the fun away from finding a photo of a car one can’t identify.
Still, once in a while one comes up that we find it hard to figure. When this happens, we put the image up on VeloceToday and we are sure to find the right answer. Or so we hope.
This particular mystery car was part of a set of negatives sent to us by long time enthusiast and VeloceToday reader Jerry Lehrer. He should do something with, but what? (send it to us, of course!). He couldn’t remember offhand exactly when the photos were taken, and the name of the car, if there was any, had long escaped him.
At first glance it appeared to be a Cisitalia, but a side view with very curvaceous fenders told us otherwise. It rang bells but we were pretty much at a loss as to the chassis (Fiat?) or the coachbuilder (Motto) or the constructor (Ermini?). All Jerry could recall is that it was part of a New Jersey car show, which also presented the new Austin Healey 100. That would make it 1952, and the car, whatever it was, was most likely brought into the U.S. by Tony Pompeo. We checked the usual sources but came up empty handed, a task made more difficult because we had no chassis, make or coachbuilder confirmation, and nothing on the car insofar as any badge or script.
That left putting an image up on VT, though that is always the court of last resort; it means we’ve failed in our task and must resort to asking the real experts out there.
Apart from the many who also thought Cisitalia, a reply came in from a real expert, Jim Sitz, who is another long time VeloceToday reader and supporter. Jim is such a walking encyclopedia of automotive facts, he served as the main fact checker for R&T, Forza, AQ and many others; in fact he fact checked this author’s articles for both Forza and R&T years ago. When they said “Sitz will read the MS”, that meant heads up and get your act together!
While Jim has given up his own archives and generously gave all of his own photos to the IMRRC, they guy still has a remarkable memory. He wrote “Your mystery car might be a FIAT by Castagna. I saw it at International Motors in 1949 and it was also in the June 1948 Road & Track. It was in Italy before coming over to Roger Barlow’s Sunset Blvd Agency.” He said his collection of R&Ts were in storage but fortunately we have a set here in the VeloceToday office. Could Jim really have remembered this, so long ago?
Well, yes and no.
Into the analog vaults we went to retrieve the June 1948 issue of Road & Track. And here is what we found and Jim recalled:
Fiat 1100 Castagna, is all the caption read in R&T.
But could it be the same car? Six years -1948 to 1952 – separated the photos, and though there are many differences between the two cars, the overall lines and in particular, those headlight bezels are similar. Any number of modifications and changes could have been made to the car in the course of those four years resulting in the differences in grilles, rear end and wheels.
And what of Castagna? Could this really be coachwork by the elegant but often heavy handed Italian coachbuilder? Back to the books. Since 1915 when Ercole Castagna inherited the company from his father Carlo, the firm was noted for very conservative, luxurious bodies on Alfa RLs, Mercedes, Lancias and the big Fiats. Ercole and his son Carlo struggled to keep the firm alive, but they closed the doors in 1954. But not before designing one of the most unique Cisitalia 202 spiders ever. According to Angela Cherret in an article for Automobile Quarterly (V14 No-1), Castagna hired Giuseppe Seregni away from Touring to help update their design department; the Cisitalia has definite Touring influences.
But this car, actually built in 1949, shows no resemblance at all to our mystery car – nothing visually can confirm or deny whether or not Castagna was the responsible party. Nothing in our meager information on Castagna helped either.
But obviously Jim was onto something. It was R&T who quoted Castagna; perhaps that was incorrect. Despite the rather large tires and wheels of the car in the Lehrer photo (indicated it might be based on a car larger or more powerful than the Fiat 1100), odds are that it was indeed a Fiat and that it was designed and built as a racecar, not a street, production or even show car.
And that means Etceterini. And that meant a trip through the thousands of photos in La “Sport” e i suoi Artigiani (1937-1965), that remarkable compendium of the rarest of Italian sports racers.
La Sport is in general organized by the builder or constructor, in alphabetical order. It includes large firms such as Abarth and tiny, one off shops like Fiordelisi and those in-between like Stanguellini. A coachbuilder like Motto or Colli could also be a constructor. Or a car could feature a Motto body with a Fiat chassis and a Volpini engine and be called something else again.
Fortunately, strolling through La Sport is always a pleasure and a learning experience. Given enough time and patience, one never knows what one might find:
So, was this it, for sure? And if so, what was it anyway? The caption didn’t say, but it was under the Colli chapter. Seems that Colli was the combination of Rinaldo Tinarelli, Arnaldo Roselli, and Paolo Volpini. And built for one Antonio Bottazzi in 1947 using a Fiat 1100 based Roselli hemispherical head, tubular chassis and more or less, it was a Volpini, though it was referred to as the Fiat Roselli Colli.
Moving on to Volpini, we found more photos:
Tying it all in was another photo of Rinaldo Tinarelli with his dog, and in the background the Fiat Roselli as built for Bottazzi. But where and how did race driver supremo Bracco come in? That we don’t know for sure, although both Bracco and Biondetti had close ties with Colli, Volpini and Roselli, have them earlier modify a Fiat 1100 to accept a Maserati 6CM engine. Seems that we had found the car after all. Fun is where you find it.
But wait, there is more.
A. What is it’s relation to the R&T car seen by Jim Sitz?
B. When and why did the Fiat Roselli come to the US?
C. Where is it today?
Jim Fontana says
The car in foto no. 2 corresponds to the Bracco/Roselli car. It’s possible that the same buck was used by the panel beaters for the cars shown in 3, 4, and 5, but it’s impossible to say without a good side view. There is something about the resto job in foto no. 2 that suggests that car was restored in the U.S. within recent memory. Don’t ask me what tho’. Pure intuition on my part.
Jim
Mike Martin says
Wonderful article Pete. If anyone could steer you to the right track it would be that font of racing knowledge, Jim Sitz. I’m looking forward to the answers to A, B and C.
Wayne Craig says
Regardless of what it was called originally, I want one. That was such a great period for sports car design and performance growth. That beautiful low profile and mild female-like curves are now replaced with winglets, wedges and scoops. This reminds me of the Dino 196 with a touch of Talbot on the face. Thanks for the detective work and wonderful article.
Ernesto Rosa says
Fantastic story!!!
Thank you!!!
Patrizio Cantu says
Rinaldo Tinarelli workshop was at 2km from Colli little site , bith near C.so Sempione in Milan, under the Vigorelli , oval cicle track , not far from another body builder Carrozzeria Torinese Barbero, that work also for Tinarelli and build some Gilco frame with Stanguellini and Fiat 1100 engines for Spreafico and Mantovani. At the period , many sports car at the start of the season was different prepared , including body with mechanic mixed togheter , Volpini and Tinarelli did that many times, also for Manfredini , etc. Also many panel beater work at the end of the day for extra hours in little workshop , and Touring Superleggera was also only a pair of Km . on Via Ludovico da Breme ,always not far from Tinarelli ….in the Portello area….
Bromehead says
Fascinating story on yet another little-known etceterrini.
Patrizio: so many new names in a few short lines, thanks for the history lesson.
Cantu sounds like a cognome sardo?
Thomas
Michael Ling says
Your story on Fiat Roselli Colli caught my attention, and its mystery became a challenge to me. In addition to the quoted reference in La “sport”, under Colli. I came across 2 additional photos within La ‘Sport”. On page 163, it appeared in the upper left photo of the 1955 Gran Premio di Pasillipo. Then the car #36 appeared on page 233. From all indications, Pietro Fiordelisi had his hands in it as well.
Dave Walker says
Caro Patrizio,
Fascinating; thank you! I had no idea there was such a rich history of auto constructors surrounding the Vigorelli in Milano. I made my own sojourn to the Vigorelli in 2006 to meet the builder (Alberto Masi) of one of my favorite custom bicycles in his shop under the velodrome–the same shop his father, Faliero, started in the late 1940’s. No doubt Faliero knew these other tenants nearby. I’m just sorry I didn’t know about the automotive connection and investigate further when I was there.
NB: Since Cisitalia has come up more than once in this mystery tale, it might bear mentioning that Cisi was a bicycle manufacturer before building cars: the tubular space frames use the same cromoly tubing used in bicycle manufacturing! There was a lot of cross-pollination in those days. If anyone ever hears of a Cisi bicycle, that would be a real find; be on the lookout.
Ciao, Dave
Dave Walker says
Pete–I may have misspoke. I recall now the name of the bicycle from whence Cisitalia got their cromo space-frame tubing: Beltrame. So, maybe someone can clarify if Beltrame was part of Cisitalia (that would be the “Sportiva” in the acronym) or another local company not part of C.I.S. Italia? I’m not certain on that point.
Hugh Nutting says
The Road&Track photo from the rear lookslike it has Maserati disc wheels and hubcaps. The ‘same’ buck comment could be correct.
Jerry Lehrer says
Pete,
I certainly do remember the year– 1952. Not the car, as it had no nameplate.
I remember the girlfriend–Joyce; the daughter of the District Attorney for New York.
Jerry
Matteo Gregorini says
I can’t answer to A and B, but i can answer at C : the car is at Brescia !
Is one of my customer’s collection.
I have some picture of it in my workshop and Bonhams notes and pictures for its sell in 2004.
If you want i can ship some pictures and notes.
You can find another picture in our web page : http://www.gregoriniautodepoca.com
I am sure that is that car because inside there are the holes (closed) of the first equipment headlights, with one screw up and one down of the headlight.
In the times it suffered a lot of changes and inside it you can see all of those changes.
thank you VT and thank you to VT Community is always a pleasure read you.
buon lavoro e a presto
Matteo Gregorini