The Hon Qi, or Red Flag, now proudly stands next to the Nardi Blue Ray I in the Blackhawk Museum.
By Pete Vack and Staff
Egads! Why is a Chinese car featured in our French and Italian classic car magazine?
First of all, it is a fascinating and important collectible. Second, it is the first classic legally imported to the U.S. from China. Third, Don Williams of the Blackhawk Collection has spent years making this event happen. Lastly, and most important to our readers with classic cars, Williams thinks that by cultivating such trades with the vast and still growing Chinese market, there may be potential for increased sales of classic cars to China.
So, in a series of three articles, VeloceToday will give our readers a detailed look at the ultra rare Red Flag (below), interview Don Williams to allow him to tell us how this was achieved and what it means to the classic car hobby and lastly, we’ll take a look at the the Blackhawk Pavilion at Shanghai Auto Museum in China.
1973 Hon Qi, “The Red Flag”
It’s massive, heavy, but luxurious. The Red Flag poses at the Blackhawk complete with flags.
Eight years ago, a wealthy Chinese industrialist came to America to visit the famous Blackhawk Museum in California. He was greeted by Blackhawk’s President Don Williams, who did not speak Chinese. But that mattered not, and in no time Jason Huang from Chengdu and Don Williams from Danville were talking about cars. “Like golf, the language is international,’ said Williams (although a translator was on hand). This meeting of two like- minded classic car enthusiasts from two different worlds would eventually result in a history making exchange between their respective countries.
3/4 rear veiw is possibly the most attractive angle. Note the center-opening doors ala Lancia Appia.
Huang told Williams that he would like to build a car museum in Chengdu, and needed ideas. He needed cars, too, and told Williams how in China, classic cars often are imported one part at a time, such as the 1931 Buick Sedan completed in Huang’s superb restoration shop, . The relationship flowered as the two exchanged ideas, and eventually Williams traveled to China to see Huang’s shop. “It was one of the best restoration facilities I have ever seen,†said Williams. And there, he fell in love.
Engine looks suspiciously similar to the small block Chevy, but puts out 200 hp.
“Huang had recently completed restoration of one of the 100 odd Red Flag cars built for government officials,†recalled Williams. “I wanted the car from the moment I laid eyes on it,†he said. “Who wouldn’t want one of China’s very first cars?†Williams is no newcomer to car collecting, having learned his trade from Ken Vaughn, of Hill and Vaughn Restorations. He assisted Japanese collectors in the 1980s and has worked with the Pebble Beach Concours d’ Elegance for years. If Williams was taken away by this rare Chinese car, it is something special. “Let’s talk quality. I can say that the Red Flag is a better quality car than the Mercedes 600, in fit, finish, materials and workmanship,†says Williams. Heavy stuff, but the chrome, paint, brocade cloth interior, walnut dashboard and pile carpeting support Don’s claim.
While cars in Hong Kong are right hand drive, mainland China always has been a left hand drive country. Note walnut dash and full appointments.
This particular 1973 Red Flag was used for visiting dignitaries and heads of state in Beijing. According to Williams, when Nixon went to China, he wanted to bring a car from the U.S, for transportation. The Chinese government said no, and that their Red Flag would provide more than adequate transportation for the President of the U.S.
Interior is sumptuous, and the large strap allows dignitaries to enter and exit with grace.
It is mind boggling to realize that until the dawn of the 21st century, the roads of China were not occupied by automobiles, but by pedestrians, animals, bikes and rickshaws. The first automobile plant was constructed in 1958, in Changun Kirin, Manchuria built to produce the Hon Qi, or “Red Flag†model, but the emphasis was on the production of “Liberation†trucks. A small number of Hon Qis, both sedans and convertibles, were built for use by Chinese dignitaries and government officials.
French President Jacques Chirac seen here with a Red Flag during his 1997 visit to China.
While the Red Flag may not be as attractive as the Mercedes 600, the Lincoln Continental, or the Rolls-Royce, it does have a certain charm, giving the impression of strength before beauty and brute power.
Power in this case comes in the form of a modern Chevy 327-like 5.3 liter V8 rated at about 200 hp at a fairly high 4,4000 rpm. Most models used an automatic transmission and options included power brakes, power steering, power windows, air conditioning and automatically tuned radio. William’s car features every available option.
Don Williams’ son Brian Murphy and Jason Huang at the official ceremony in Chengdu in November of 2008.
Huang drove Williams around in the Red Flag and then thought, well, if you want this car, let’s see what we can do. Huang wanted a car for his museum, preferably a replica Benz to represent the first practical automobile at his museum. (Even the example at the Mercedes Benz Museum is a replica). He was also in need of a variety of other goods relating to classic cars. Williams said he could meet his end of the deal, and that left only the Chinese government; it was not legal to export used cars from China. But both Don and Jason were determined.
Murphy accepts the Red Flag, while Jason Huang, at left, holds the Mercedes Benz emblem and receives the Benz in exchange for the Red Flag.
Three years after the handshake, a ceremony was held at the Chengdu Automobile Show–with all systems go, Huang took delivery of the Benz, and with great showmanship, placed it next to the Red Flag, soon to be shipped to the U.S. “This exchange represents cultural and automotive history, as a collector car has never been legally exchanged in the United States with China, nor has China been able to purchase collector cars from outside the country,†said Williams.
All of this required great patience, but earned Williams the trust and permission of the Chinese government to bring the car to America. Williams and Huang have made significant headway in classic car trade between our countries and the possibilities are extremely interesting to all car collectors. Williams plans to bring the Red Flag to Pebble Beach in 2009, giving many more Americans a chance to see this rarity.
In our next article, we’ll see the arrival of the Red Flag in California, and Williams will give us his vision of a new era of trade with China, what is needed next, and how it may compare with that of Japan circa 1980-85.
Walter M. Sheldon, Jr. says
Leave it to the liberals to break the rules and declare it a victory.
To me a collector car has to have something unique, style, power, handling, and innovative design.
The rarity of what you speak is government controlled. Does that make it rare, no.
In short, if you drive around in a Red Flag, people will say, at best, what an ugly car.
James Ferris says
Pete –
I think this is truly an historic event for collector cars. I think we’ll look back in wonder 20 years from now. Lots of discussion on the web and in the clubs on the subject of China & car collecting: will they or won’t they?
Congratulations to Jason Huang & Don Williams for getting things rolling!
Tom says
What a treat! As noted, the car is currently on display in the museum. For hours of operation and directions, check out http://www.blackhawkmuseum.org
jeffrey frey says
Nice article on the Red Flag, but you never told me where or what the Blackhawk collection was.
Jay Mackro says
OK, it’s sort of an interesting story, but I’m baffled as to how it relates to Italian cars.
When you added French cars to V.T., it struck me as a digression, but at least French cars have some history. Now you’re adding Chinese? What’s next?
I regret seeing “Veloce Today” try to become all things to all people.
Bob Graham says
I am afraid the only up side to trading in classic cars with China is for the money hungry classic car industry. Simply put, Vultures in a soft economy looking for the next untapped market. They have nothing worthwhile trading for. That only means the loss of more classics from the western market to the far east. It’s the money these people want. It’s no longer about the love of old cars.
Michael says
I am absolutely horrified at Williams’ hope that more classic cars will be sold into China.
These cars are part of Western Civilization. Are we going to sell our history to a place who’s greatest achievement in the past 60 years has been keeping Wal-Mart stocked with cheap crap?
I was horrified back in the ’90s when vintage Ferraris were shipped to Japan. This is just as bad.
Oh, and Walter Sheldon: what do “liberals” have to do with this story?
Mark Atterbury says
It is ridiculous to think that opening up China to the old car hobby is a bad thing. To think that all collector cars need to stay in NA is short sighted.
How many wonderful cars have been unearthed in South America? Like everything else, these are global commodities.
The culture in China may be different, but I look forward to what this vast population can contribute to the old car hobby. This is yet another way that we can come together. The more that people understand each other, the easier it is for them to work together. If that takes old cars going to China, then I am for it.
Venanzio B., Cremona (italy) says
The front windshield that was probably “borrowed” from a 1963 FIAT 2300 Lusso ! It appears to me that this car is absolutely irrelevant to the http://www.velocetoday.com excellent and much appreciated totally for free initiative ! A story on Togliattigrad in the former USSR where the communist Russians once build the LADA (FIAT 124) would have been more appropriate. The Chinese collecting Italian and French classic cars seems a clash of cultures to me, apart from the fact that their driving style does not (yet) match the Italian or French temperament ! Therefore may I suggest a big “No” to Chinese news on VT other than the Chinese GP Formula One !